Fatburger CEO: We'll Survive the Better-Burger Shakeout
In terms of domestic expansion, what does Fatburger have planned?
Wiederhorn: We're about 50% international, 50% domestic, so that's about 75 locations in the U.S., and we have another 30 to 40 locations planned right now domestically, including 10 for New York City -- the first one opening this spring.
Fatburger is your neighborhood burger joint so to differentiate ourselves, we're not looking to be in a tourist environment, where we're only looking for high-volume, high-traffic, high-rent experience. We want to be the local burger experience for the consumer.
In the U.S., we just went through a big recession, making it very tough for franchisees to open stores. What are you seeing right now?
Wiederhorn: We're seeing active development in California and, of course, in the New York area. We have a lot of interest in the East Coast. There's active development in the major cities where the economy has settled a little bit and while there's still gigantic challenges to navigate through it, those economies have a lot of different things going on, so there's opportunity to take advantage of and to develop locations. In the smaller cities, we still see more struggles.
In the restaurant industry, in particular, when you look at the Affordable Care Act, it's going to crush the small restaurant operator who owns more than one location, and ends up with more than 50 employees.
The larger operators who have hundreds of employees have to deal with it in more of a global way, and they really have to drive their top-line sales because everybody wants their employees to have insurance. But small businesses can't afford it in the same way that a larger organization can. If you own a restaurant -- a Fatburger has, let's say, 25 employees, right? You open a second one, boom, you're now subject to the law, and you've got to pay either a $2,000 per person fine or provide insurance for everybody, which is at least $5,000 or $6,000 a year per person.
Are you doing anything to help your franchisees with that?
Wiederhorn: Our solution really has been driving top-line sales because you're not going to be able to avoid your responsibility to give employees insurance.
What's the appeal to going international?
Wiederhorn: When the economic crisis began to develop in 2007, we had already launched an international